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Turtling Discussion
07-25-2012, 09:06 PM
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RE: Turtling Discussion
You are almost definitely referring to my post. Let me try to lay out the problem with turtling more consicely.

We know that player 1 has an advantage by going first, this is not debatable, we also know that it is more costly to attack. If player 1 decides to play completely defensively, they are hoping that the second player will attack leading to a dramatic wit advantage for the first player. Smart player 2s will also not attack knowing their position is already disadvantaged, leading to comical force buildups.

The real problem lies with how to respond to a person who has decided to turtle. In many games, the appropriate response is to use a mobility advantage to capture additional resource nodes, which eventually allows for the generation of an overwhelming force and discourages turtles. In this game, there are very few resource spaces and they are often included in the defensive territory meaning that there is no cost effective way to respond to a player 1 turtle except to hope that they make egregious mistakes.

I think the purpose of this thread is, how do we respond when someone, especially player 1, turtles? Aside from ArtNJ, there hadn't been any discussion about the real question.

(And I just want to comment that I'm not vilifying the players who turtle, on many maps you will put yourself in a position of not being able to lose. I think it is probably the optimal strategy. That is why turtling is a problem.)
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Turtling Discussion - xSkeletalx - 07-24-2012, 11:00 PM
RE: Turtling Discussion - swimj - 07-24-2012, 11:41 PM
RE: Turtling Discussion - Bluegodzill - 07-24-2012, 11:58 PM
RE: Turtling Discussion - Harti - 07-25-2012, 01:04 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - Syvan - 07-25-2012, 12:02 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - Bluegodzill - 07-25-2012, 01:26 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - Kamikaze28 - 07-25-2012, 01:53 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - Bluegodzill - 07-25-2012, 02:14 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - Syvan - 07-25-2012, 02:36 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - Harti - 07-25-2012, 02:53 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - ArtNJ - 07-25-2012, 03:41 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - aaronINdayton - 07-25-2012, 06:09 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - Harti - 07-25-2012, 07:55 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - swimj - 07-25-2012, 09:07 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - Harti - 07-25-2012, 10:15 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - crump7 - 07-25-2012, 08:25 PM
RE: Turtling Discussion - Syvan - 07-25-2012 09:06 PM
RE: Turtling Discussion - Harti - 07-25-2012, 09:23 PM
RE: Turtling Discussion - Cookie - 07-25-2012, 10:36 PM
RE: Turtling Discussion - crump7 - 07-26-2012, 02:15 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - Syvan - 07-26-2012, 03:06 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - crump7 - 07-26-2012, 04:56 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - stevewastaken - 07-27-2012, 08:31 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - ArtNJ - 07-27-2012, 10:08 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - CombatEX - 07-27-2012, 11:00 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - stevewastaken - 07-27-2012, 11:52 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - xSkeletalx - 07-27-2012, 01:27 PM
RE: Turtling Discussion - stevewastaken - 07-27-2012, 05:24 PM
RE: Turtling Discussion - CombatEX - 07-27-2012, 05:55 PM
RE: Turtling Discussion - swimj - 08-03-2012, 09:52 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - stevewastaken - 08-01-2012, 09:15 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - Syvan - 08-01-2012, 09:39 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - worldfamous - 08-01-2012, 09:39 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - stevewastaken - 08-01-2012, 10:24 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - nivra0 - 08-03-2012, 04:14 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - NathanDetr0it - 08-03-2012, 04:40 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - nivra0 - 08-03-2012, 09:34 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - Syvan - 08-01-2012, 10:47 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - stevewastaken - 08-01-2012, 11:38 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - CombatEX - 08-01-2012, 12:34 PM
RE: Turtling Discussion - ArtNJ - 08-04-2012, 01:53 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - Rayquashazam - 08-29-2014, 10:47 AM
RE: Turtling Discussion - Demon - 08-29-2014, 02:39 PM
RE: Turtling Discussion - brayton - 09-22-2014, 08:42 PM

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