Bramble v3

[ImperialSun]

I don't think heavies are viable counters to brambles on large maps. I've played some friendlies against top 100 players using veggies and every time my opponent makes heavies to defend against my thorns they lose. You just spawn thorns to harass a part of the map away from the heavies or spawn a lot of thorns so the heavies cant kill the, as fast as you make them. I've won 8 games so far like this so I think a different counter is required though I'm not sure what. Do you have replays of a successful heavy defense on a large map? I actually think that even on small maps you can still beat heavies just by swamping them in so many thorns that they can't kill them all. Then use snipers soldiers and thorns to kill the heavies while they're busy killing the thorns instead of your units.

(03-17-2013 04:05 AM)Porceveer Wrote:  That's it. I've had enough of this OP new bramble. I was still trying to play Adorables cause I didn't want to switch to Veggies like everyone else but it's impossible. There are only Veggies out there now and Adorables are absolutely helpless.

I acutally had the opinion to give it some time but after having played too many matches vs this crappy weed I have enough.

The worst thing is: IT'S NO FUN ANYMORE! Thorns blocking all of the map, no skill needed, if you make a mistake, who cares? You can just retreat and you get the bonus of your oponent not even having a replay to look at!

In my opinion there are only two options: quit the game or switch to Veggies like everyone else and play boring, neverending games with Bramble vs. Bramble. I will never do the second so my choice is clear, I take the first one.

OML WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKING WHEN YOU MADE THIS UPDATE? I've loved this game for almost 5 months but you managed to take everything away that made this game special in a blink. As much as I love your guys' work, I really hope I can manage to pick it up again when this bramble is fixed. I'm not sure though..

That's how I feel about mobi. Using scallywag and to a lesser extent feedback against a good adorables player is not enjoyable. As a result I stopped playing just like you as have quite a lot of top tier scallywag and feedback players. Now I only play my World Cup games and friendlies when I'm invited. It's funny though how similar the situation you describe is to the way adorables are. The top players either switched to adorables or stopped playing, yet the adorables have not been nerfed at all for multiple months. The main difference is that it is easier to abuse the bramble than the mobi without understanding the game as well. This is why the adorables haven't gotten as much attention as the bramble despite being seemingly OP just like the bramble (it only impacts a very small percentage of players and so the fact that it is an issue has received less attention). If you don't believe me you are deluding yourself. Show me a replay in the past month between 2 top 100 players where a scallywag play beat an adorables player using a bombshell (of course, one replay in an entire month isn't really enough, so find more than that if possible). I have found a number of feedback wins mostly from p0123456789, but vastly fewer wins with feedback than wins with adorables in AvF (where specials were used).