Erroneous league assignment

[ArtNJ]

(07-27-2012 12:46 AM)Kamikaze28 Wrote:  I understand your point, but once again I'd like to explain that statements like "no one should go 30-0 and be in Gifted." are highly relative, especially in the beginning of a rating system. How good were these 30 opponents? The system doesn't know this from the start. It's bound to be cautious. 30 wins against unranked or freshly ranked players hardly means anything. 30 wins against Masters or Super Titans with high confidence ratings is a very valid reason not to be in Gifted League.

Here we have our first real disagreement. If the system adjusted more dynamically, after winning a bunch of games (say 4-6), you should be being matched with other people dominating unranked, and as you continue dominating, you should be matched with other people showing that level of dominance. If this is done dynamically, ELO or not, it just doesnt take that long to prove yourself.

Constrast this system with both a new and established ELO system:

New: starting rate in Great Big War Game is 1000, and the K value is 20 (meaning you gain or lose 10 points against an equal opponent). Although its very early, you can see from the leaderboard who has been dominating, and those are all very good players. Simply put, you cant get much above 1100 without being quite good, because the points you get for beating noobs goes down and down. It obviously doesnt track skill perfectly yet, many noobs are free points, and the system is too new, but you *can* match yourself against quality opponents just by looking at the leaderboard (GBWG doesnt do that automatically, but that doesnt change the point).

Established: The #4 player in the Hero Academy League is "only" 22-2. After starting like 12-0, he started exclusively challenging the top rated folks, and dominating them. Under the Outwitters system, he would be 24-0 and bored stiff battling noobs. He probably would have just quit -- he doesnt play all that much, and only takes high challenge matches.

Outwitters doesnt work as quickly as either system, and its a problem for the skilled -- they get bored.