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RE: Outwitters WORLD CUP Signups CLOSED - CombatEX - 09-03-2012 02:56 PM
Did you decide how you plan to do seeding?
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Here is P/W adjusted seeding. Took me longer than I thought but hopefully it will be of some use.
P/W Adjusted Seeding
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6100/owcfinalseedingadjusted.png
Note: The un-adjusted seeding is based solely on points, but I know this isn't quite right because you put some lower point players above higher ones if they had a lot fewer wins (like player 8 and 18 were above 23 and 30 but I didn't show this in my spreadsheet).
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Also here are the groups using the adjusted seeding. I arranged the groups the way you suggested (1-9-17-25, 2-10-18-26, 3-11-19-27, etc).
Groups
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9238/owcgroups.png
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Anyway, thanks for organizing this tournament, looks like it will be a lot of fun =)
If you guys can save replays like in the other community tournament that would be nice!
RE: Outwitters WORLD CUP Signups CLOSED - jaesonwu - 09-03-2012 03:40 PM
For those interested this is the country distribution based on combat's post
Group A
USA
FRA
AUS
CAN
Group B
GER
AUT
USA
CAN
Group C
SWE
POR
USA
SIN
Group D
USA
AUS
USA
USA
Group E
CAN
GBR
GBR
SOT
Group F
JPN
FRA
FRA
USA
Group G
USA
USA
NZL
GBR
Group H
USA
HKG
CAN
USA
I'm pleasantly surprised by the diversity =) I didn't realize Outwitters was played by so many people from so many places!
Also, I like the idea of making the first map Peakaboo instead of Foundry since this way it will alternate small and big maps each round for more variety.
RE: Outwitters WORLD CUP Signups CLOSED - Judment - 09-03-2012 05:08 PM
That makes sense, also I would recommend waiting until the patch release comes out, because it could cause some problems eg with foundry changing
RE: Outwitters WORLD CUP Signups CLOSED - Ravernoth - 09-03-2012 06:12 PM
(09-03-2012 02:56 PM)CombatEX Wrote: Did you decide how you plan to do seeding?
____________________________________________________
Here is P/W adjusted seeding. Took me longer than I thought but hopefully it will be of some use.
P/W Adjusted Seeding
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6100/owcfinalseedingadjusted.png
Note: The un-adjusted seeding is based solely on points, but I know this isn't quite right because you put some lower point players above higher ones if they had a lot fewer wins (like player 8 and 18 were above 23 and 30 but I didn't show this in my spreadsheet).
____________________________________________________
Also here are the groups using the adjusted seeding. I arranged the groups the way you suggested (1-9-17-25, 2-10-18-26, 3-11-19-27, etc).
Groups
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9238/owcgroups.png
____________________________________________________
Anyway, thanks for organizing this tournament, looks like it will be a lot of fun =)
If you guys can save replays like in the other community tournament that would be nice!
That looks cool, thanks for doing that Combat!
RE: Outwitters WORLD CUP Signups CLOSED - Magnum - 09-03-2012 06:57 PM
I'm in the same group as awpertunity ~
RE: Outwitters WORLD CUP Signups CLOSED - Necrocat219 - 09-03-2012 07:51 PM
Just a quick mention to say I've been promoted to Masters since I signed up to avoid confusion, sorry I've been playing so many games recently XP
Points: 1175 W: 124
RE: Outwitters WORLD CUP Signups CLOSED - Ravernoth - 09-03-2012 08:46 PM
(09-03-2012 02:56 PM)CombatEX Wrote: Also here are the groups using the adjusted seeding. I arranged the groups the way you suggested (1-9-17-25, 2-10-18-26, 3-11-19-27, etc).
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Actually, this is a bit off - this guarantees that higher seeds are placed together:
1 > 2
9 > 10
17 > 18
25 > 26
Shouldnt seeds be placed in 'pots' and randomly drawn into each group like in the World Cup?
i.e.
Pot 1: 1-8
Pot 2: 9-16
Pot 3: 17-24
Pot 4: 25-32
And an ideal setup may be to have Pot 1 not random - the seeds placed in the groups to have the expected seeded matchups in the round of 8, i.e:
Left bracket:
A - 1st seed
C - 8th seed
E - 4th seed
G - 5th seed
Right bracket:
B - 2nd seed
D - 7th seed
F - 3rd seed
H - 6th seed
RE: Outwitters WORLD CUP Signups CLOSED - CombatEX - 09-04-2012 03:28 AM
(09-03-2012 08:46 PM)Ravernoth Wrote:(09-03-2012 02:56 PM)CombatEX Wrote: Also here are the groups using the adjusted seeding. I arranged the groups the way you suggested (1-9-17-25, 2-10-18-26, 3-11-19-27, etc).
Actually, this is a bit off - this guarantees that higher seeds are placed together:
1 > 2
9 > 10
17 > 18
25 > 26
Shouldnt seeds be placed in 'pots' and randomly drawn into each group like in the World Cup?
i.e.
Pot 1: 1-8
Pot 2: 9-16
Pot 3: 17-24
Pot 4: 25-32
And an ideal setup may be to have Pot 1 not random - the seeds placed in the groups to have the expected seeded matchups in the round of 8, i.e:
Left bracket:
A - 1st seed
C - 8th seed
E - 4th seed
G - 5th seed
Right bracket:
B - 2nd seed
D - 7th seed
F - 3rd seed
H - 6th seed
You have a good point there. Ultimately awpertunity is the one in charge of this tournament so I defaulted to what he mentioned in an earlier post. I'll do a random draw now though with top 8 seeds arranged as you suggested though to see how it would turn out. Of course none of this matters unless awpertunity agrees =)
Adjustments
- Distributed top 8 seeds into respective groups as suggested by Ravernoth
- Randomly assigned each group with a player from 9-16, 17-24, and 25-32 (I used random.org)
Revised Groups
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4461/owcrevisedgroups.png
The country tags correspond to the respective positions of the players in the groups.
Here is a rough estimate of group strengths (Strongest -> Weakest)
Group H (+6)
Group B (+5)
Group E (+3)
Group F (+1)
Group C (+0)
Group A (-1)
Group G (-3)
Group D (-11)
Note: In reality there are probably many players who are underestimated by their leagues (80%+ w/l without promotion) not to mention points/win has flaws as a means of estimating skill. In other words, don't take this too seriously.
RE: Outwitters WORLD CUP Signups CLOSED - GreatGonzales - 09-04-2012 05:43 AM
I hope there will be a nice single post with all the rules and guidelines spelled out for people who have not been following this thread very closely! (like me)
RE: Outwitters WORLD CUP Signups CLOSED - aaronINdayton - 09-04-2012 10:08 PM
(09-04-2012 05:43 AM)GreatGonzales Wrote: I hope there will be a nice single post with all the rules and guidelines spelled out for people who have not been following this thread very closely! (like me)
+1