(02-19-2013 12:27 PM)GreatGonzales Wrote:  I feel like people aren't reading what I'm saying. Let me put it this way:

Currently, 2v2 ST is more of a distinction and an honor than 1v1 ST.
Likewise, 1v1 ST is less of a distinction than 2v2 ST.

The reason is, the promotion threshold for 1v1 is more relaxed, relative to the population of 2v2 players. The proposal that I submit is that we should bring 2v2 to be consistent with the 1v1 standard, which would create a more vibrant 2v2 ST league.

I hope that helps.

(02-19-2013 12:27 PM)GreatGonzales Wrote:  I feel like people aren't reading what I'm saying. Let me put it this way:

Currently, 2v2 ST is more of a distinction and an honor than 1v1 ST.
Likewise, 1v1 ST is less of a distinction than 2v2 ST.

The reason is, the promotion threshold for 1v1 is more relaxed, relative to the population of 2v2 players. The proposal that I submit is that we should bring 2v2 to be consistent with the 1v1 standard, which would create a more vibrant 2v2 ST league.

I hope that helps.

(02-19-2013 12:13 PM)GreatGonzales Wrote:  

Quote:League distribution is where we disagree. Like amofett, I believe ST should be a title/achievement for your hidden skill being above a certain threshold, not that we need to put a specific % of players in the ST league just because their aren't enough that got there.
The only solution I see to this, is OML putting a top - chart WITH hidden skill shown, or else who knows the difference between 2-3

Banger, I just do not see how you are still saying this after I have directly addressed these issues.

I believe 2v2 ST SHOULD be a distinction and an honor. It should be a distinction and an honor as much as it is for 1v1. Currently, 2v2 ST is a higher distinction than 1v1, and as a result there are only 2 STs for 2v2. This has very little utility, and thus we are proposing a correction to the system so it is more in line.

(02-19-2013 12:35 PM)amoffett Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 12:27 PM)GreatGonzales Wrote:  I feel like people aren't reading what I'm saying. Let me put it this way:

Currently, 2v2 ST is more of a distinction and an honor than 1v1 ST.
Likewise, 1v1 ST is less of a distinction than 2v2 ST.

The reason is, the promotion threshold for 1v1 is more relaxed, relative to the population of 2v2 players. The proposal that I submit is that we should bring 2v2 to be consistent with the 1v1 standard, which would create a more vibrant 2v2 ST league.

I hope that helps.

I disagree, I think it's a higher distinction because its harder to be good as a pair than as a single player. If the thresholds are currently the same as you suggest (and I think they probably are), that would support this theory. I still don't get this need for a "vibrant 2v2 ST league". You are all playing each other correct? Look how animated this discussion is. Seems plenty "vibrant" already to me.

(02-19-2013 12:40 PM)Necrocat219 Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 12:35 PM)amoffett Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 12:27 PM)GreatGonzales Wrote:  I feel like people aren't reading what I'm saying. Let me put it this way:

Currently, 2v2 ST is more of a distinction and an honor than 1v1 ST.
Likewise, 1v1 ST is less of a distinction than 2v2 ST.

The reason is, the promotion threshold for 1v1 is more relaxed, relative to the population of 2v2 players. The proposal that I submit is that we should bring 2v2 to be consistent with the 1v1 standard, which would create a more vibrant 2v2 ST league.

I hope that helps.

I disagree, I think it's a higher distinction because its harder to be good as a pair than as a single player. If the thresholds are currently the same as you suggest (and I think they probably are), that would support this theory. I still don't get this need for a "vibrant 2v2 ST league". You are all playing each other correct? Look how animated this discussion is. Seems plenty "vibrant" already to me.

It depends on the context of a 'good pair'. I'm genuinely considering making a 2vs2 team with myself as theres no chance of anyone getting into ST without perfect communication.

(02-19-2013 12:26 PM)worldfamous Wrote:  If poweewee and joelduque were proclaimed the only super titans tomorrow, it would be perfectly analogous to the current 2v2 situation.