(02-19-2013 08:59 AM)CombatEX Wrote:  [quote='Mr.Banger' pid='34926' dateline='1361227600']
Where are y'all coming from that the masters skill level is barely lower than the STs?

Quote:Did you read? In my example I stated that there could be a large gap between ST and Master. I said that even if the gap is large between ST and Master, there is also a large gap within Master. Since we have a gap anyway, is it not better to utilize all our leagues available instead of just having one league for 2 teams? Let's say this:

The 2 ST Team Hidden-Ratings

2000
1800

Master Team Hidden-Ratings From Highest to Lowest

1500 (highest)
1450
1425
1425
1325
1250
1100
[...]
850
825
825
825
800 (lowest)

So, this is all under the assumption that there is a big gap between Master team skill and ST team skill (I still think this is questionable, but just to satisfy you, let us assume this is the case).

Now, why are we devoting an entire league to 2 Teams when there is also a huge discrepancy in skill within Master? Why not instead have the following?

The 2 ST Team Hidden-Ratings

2000
1800
1500 (promoted)
1450 (promoted)
1425 (promoted)
1425 (promoted)

Master Team Hidden-Ratings From Highest to Lowest

1325 (highest)
1200
1125
[...]
850
825
825
825
800 (lowest)

Even then there is still a large skill range in Master but it's less drastic since we are now utilizing the ST league to a greater extent.

Of course if you're really so set on not promoting anyone else to ST then we can just demote the bottom half of Masters to Gifted instead.

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(02-19-2013 09:00 AM)GreatGonzales Wrote:  [quote='Necrocat219' pid='34927' dateline='1361227608']
The difference between the top ST's and the bottom ST's is quite large in 1vs1 at least so I would see no problem Against the Likes of Terance, Poweewee, Alvy and Garcia I would probably win 1/4 games whilst against lower members of ST's it would probably be the other way around

Yes, this is an important point. People can say that there is a big divide between bottom ST and top masters, but if you look at the 1v1 ST league there is a considerable divide between poweewee and the lowest ranked ST. So, all this talk about a significant divide is not really relevant.

(02-19-2013 08:50 AM)alexjiang1 Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 08:36 AM)CombatEX Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 08:32 AM)alexjiang1 Wrote:  They couldve but the most likely explanation is that they are still higher if they havent lost many games since. And if those masters are higher, theyll get promoted soon enough

I don't see how that is more likely at all. You have no data to back it up.

At any rate, addressing your 12-1 comment:

You may be right. However, I don't think it should take a 12-1 rating to be in ST. Currently my team is at a 6-1 ratio. Perhaps that means we shouldn't be in the same league as you, but then I want all the Master teams with a 3-1 ratio or worse to be demoted to Gifted. You see what I'm saying? Why should there be a league just for 2 teams? Even if there is a pretty large gap, 12-1 to 6-1, there is also a huge gap in masters, 6-1 to something like 3-1 or worse. If we have to have a huge gap no matter what we should at least distribute it more evenly instead of having such a huge range in Master and barely utilizing one of our leagues, ST, by only have 2 teams. Well. If you insist on only keeping 2 teams in ST then I think we should shift our focus to getting a lot of the Master teams demoted to gifted. Okay? Okay. Why promote teams when we can demote them? Sounds good! =D

Why do I believe it's more likely? Because for them to get promoted means they went on a streak of some sort an surpassed the threshold differentiating themselves. There's absolutely no way any masters is higher unless they went on a big losing streak (nope, not from what Ive seen in our league) and will thus be demoted to Masters, if those Masters are higher than G/K w/o them going on a losing streak than those masters deserve to be promoted and will be promoted. It's logic and the most likely scenario or else they would've been demoted or another promoted. Of course, I don't know their record, I'm sure they can provide it though.
Addressing your 6-1, you're probably close, I'm in no ways saying that isn't good enough, all I said was its probably not higher than ours/theirs. Where do you get the fact that some masters are 3-1, facts, or logical assumptions like I made?

Quote:I'm just wondering why there's all these complaints when it's clearly possible to get to ST...

(02-19-2013 09:09 AM)Mr.Banger Wrote:  I never said I was set on not promoting anyone else to ST. I'm just wondering why there's all these complaints when it's clearly possible to get to ST...

(02-19-2013 09:22 AM)GreatGonzales Wrote:  

Quote:I'm just wondering why there's all these complaints when it's clearly possible to get to ST...

Come on man, I dunno what else to say. Haven't you been reading the thread? Of course it's possible, but the threshold is not ideal when considering the reality of the 2v2 population. Suppose the ST league can only ever contain a single team, the best team. Is it possible to get into this league? Yes, you could just get better than the number 1 team. Does this then mean that that promotion threshold is appropriate? No, clearly not. And this is not far from what we have currently.

(02-19-2013 09:40 AM)GreatGonzales Wrote:  Eh. Rawkhawk is my brother IRL, and yes that is a bit of advantage in that we communicate more easily. But we have to talk in the chat like everyone else; we don't live together.

(02-19-2013 09:43 AM)Necrocat219 Wrote:  P.S. Not 'solid proof' as one would like as it's up for interpretation but I decided to have a peek at the 1vs1 League placements of the other 2vs2 Supertitans with the Hypothesis that one of them would be an alternate account: I found that Gurleyman was a 1vs1 Master level player and Krogoth300 had no other league placements than his 2vs2 ST placement. Check out below if you really want to.

http://osn.codepenguin.com/players/view/916

http://osn.codepenguin.com/players/view/917